In all my years of living in Glovertown ,I have never seen such hysterics and melodrama.Nor have I seen such exaggeration of a topic.First of all ,the bear was in on the lawn,not breaking in the house.I have had bears on my lawn,up in my trees,even in the box of my pickup.Funny,I didnt feel it necessary to run out with a gun and shoot it.This is nothing more than mob mentality and histrionics.Some of you people need meds.I can imagine the Wildlife officers,and Department of Environment and conservation are all secretly chuckling their asses of at the mentality of some people.Even one comment calling it a "State of Emergency" .No ,Igor was a state of emergency.OMG.For a real good laugh, have a look at the facebook page they have created.Sandy Collins I feel very sorry for you.It is always a few nut jobs that make everyone else look bad.
Posted: 9/1/2012 6:51:34 AM
Elmer Fudd :
A Concerned Citizen you are not - at least not concerned with humans as opposed to Animals. Unless those humans are Criminals it seems....I am all for protecting family and property. If a bear is on your property and threatening, and you can can safely kill the animal without endangering any humans, that is just what you should do, and I think rightfully so. For authorities to take this man's gun, and likely future charges over this, is ludicrous, and shows how stupid our laws/government in Canada are. As for shooting Intruders in your home...I say there will never be a jury that will convict you of any crime, even if our stupid laws mean you are arrested and charged. If anyone breaks into your home, and you feel that you or your family is threatened, which obviously you should given the stated fact that ""an intruder has broken into your home and you are confronting each other"", I am sorry, but that intruder will have to face immediate justice in my book....If he is killed or maimed in that situation, either with a baseball bat, kitchen knife, sizzors, shotgun or rifle, or your handgun if you had a restricted license for it, or your hunting bow, or even your fists, etc., he put himself in that situation, and deserves whatever consequences comes his way at that point - he had no right to be there, and you had the right to taken action.
I love animals, and nature, and yes I am a Hunter, and I eat whatever I hunt/kill. I am also a lover of Humans, at least the generally Law-abiding types...I have distain and almost hatred for the type of criminal that would break into another's private residence, and/or do physical harm to another human being.
An otherwise law-abiding citizen is not the Criminal, neither in the case of the dead Bear, nor the Dead/Maimed Intruder. Period.
Full acquital if I was on the jury....
Posted: 8/31/2012 9:29:08 PM
Seriously though! :
If a man was aproaching your home and looked threating would you take your gun out and shoot him or would you go inside and call the police? It's the same thing when it comes to wildlife! Most, of us work and pay taxes that are used on things like wildlife officers and it is their job to make the decision not a redneck with a shotgun.
Posted: 8/31/2012 9:19:19 PM
The bears have been on my doorstep when I have left garbage out.When I removed the garbage the bear has not been on my door step.It checked my bin once,and finding nothing there , moved on.As irritating as it might be,we have to be vigilante about what we do with bear attractants.this was again reinforced by Wildlife officers today.I dont believe this concept is as difficult as some would have you think.It is certainly not rocket science.
Posted: 8/31/2012 6:12:03 PM
Voice Of Reason :
What is wrong and has been wrong for quite some time,it people who refuse to take simple steps outlined by the experts.Simple things which, for the majority,is pretty much a no brainer.Things like securing garbage.Simple it would seem.But of course we have the very vocal minority who,through absolute ignorance ,have to dispute only for the sake of getting on their soap box and having their moment of glory.Very sad.So the meeting happened.The department of wild life will be roaming around and shooing them off your lawn.[remember most of these visitations happen in the wee hours of the morning].Oh yes,I almost forgot another recommendation.What was it again? Right,Lock your friggen garbage away.I can bet there will still be people who refuse to do this .I can assure people, I would rather face on a ten foot kodiac than a bunch of rifle wielding rednecks ready to shoot anything moving on their lawn at 3 AM.Are you people for real.This is what gives Newfoundlanders a bad reputation!
Posted: 8/31/2012 6:06:00 PM
Territory Of Labrador :
Lots of Bear poop on our property yesterday. DO not hear about me shooting them do ya? Kinda know the difference between a threat and a bear in it's natural setting.
Lock that Oram guy up and take away his right to own a gun for life.
Posted: 8/31/2012 1:07:30 PM
Far be it for me to promote the culling of any animal but knowing what a bear of any species is capable of a person should be able to protect their family, neibours & property by any means nessacary without the fear of legal reprocutions. By the way... In most cases I have more respect for animals than people.
Posted: 8/31/2012 12:52:27 PM
I think you all need to know the area to understand. the dump located in Glovertown services several different communities for years, the bears became dependent on the garbage at the dump. They are no longer natural bears and have not been natural for years. When this dump closed they became scavengers and no longer have to man made food source they are used to. They they travel to the communities to scavenge for food they no longer have. These bears no longer have the attitudes of natural bears and are dangerous. They have been spotted in broad daylight where there is no garbage. They will stick around different areas where there is no food source. There can be no garbage around your property and they will still come. Bears in the area have been seen looking in windows and near children. This is a problem in the area and the government has finally decided to deal with it. MHA Sandy Collins knows there is now an issue that needs to be dealt with and this is why there is a meeting. It can almost be declared a state if emergency right now with all the bears. Again, they are not natural bears, they are dump bears, that will do anything for a bit of food. People are afraid to go outside, to let their children out of their garden and this is wrong. When it comes to the safety of communities people need to come first. All these comments are referring to Mr . Oram shooting the bear. With a natural bear, the bear would have been scared off as soon as he said boo, but these bears are acclimated to man and dump food, so the "bears will not hurt humans" gets thrown right out the door. Also it has not only been Mr. Oram who has shot a bear on his property, other people have as well. Three people in total have reported shooting bears on their property...and thats only the ones that have been reported. I am glad this meeting is occuring today. I am all for the humanity of wildlife and protecting out native species, but this has gotten out of hand & something needs to be done!
Posted: 8/31/2012 11:42:13 AM
It's very obvious that many of the comments here are by urban cowboys who have never handled a Gun or seen a Bear outside of a Zoo.
Posted: 8/31/2012 11:34:30 AM
Scenario....Mr. Oram discharges a high powered rifle. Misses the bear. You have a bullet flying through the air, deadly for two kilometers. People walking around. You get the scenario.
Posted: 8/31/2012 7:44:54 AM
Being an experienced hunter myself I am well aware how far a .223 calibre rifle bullet can travel.....with a velocity of 3750 ft/sec depending on the type of bullet you can easily strike a target at 1000-1400 yards. Shooting of a hi-powered rifle or any gun for that matter in a community is dangerous, especially at 3 am. Remeber the rules of firearm saftey...know what's beyond your target...hard to do that in the dark.
Posted: 8/31/2012 7:35:10 AM
There are obviously 2 types of bears. country bears and dump bears. a country bear is rarely seen. they are more scared of you. dump bears are brave. i have shot em at the cabin, and will do it again. its an anima that can do major damage.
NEVER TRUST A BEAR.
some people are total morons to wanna leave an agressive bear alone on his/her property.
Got nothing to do with wanting to kill everything. Ill stop at nothing to protect my family, neighbours.
Posted: 8/30/2012 7:40:03 PM
Concerned citizen :
people of this province are starting to get to crazy about all this wildlife crap first the moose now the bears, just because a bear comes to close to a house doesnt mean its causing any harm to the community at all, let the animal be and do its business if it starts damaging property or other things then call the wildlife and let them handle it instead of killing an animal for no reason, bears are peaceful animals they are scared of humans and loud noises unless protecting there young so just let them be and stop killing everything that moves next thing humans will be shot for entering other peoples property and besides i agree that the gun should be seized you open fired in a community you easily could of missed the bear and are putting people in the community at harm, let the wildlife handle it!
Posted: 8/30/2012 5:45:31 PM
The dump here in Clarenville is the same as it has been for the last 20 years, out by Deep Bight....no dump closed for Clarenville
Posted: 8/30/2012 2:34:23 PM
De man :
His biggest mistake was calling the wildlife. Shoot, shovel, shut-up.
Posted: 8/30/2012 1:25:02 PM
I agree with Tom, as well.
Only kill it if it is actually putting you in danger. Not because it's passing through your yards. Notify your neighbors and town councils to make the public aware.
It's not a matter of being a tree hugger. It's the simple fact that we can respect life in its many forms.
People want to kill anything that causes an inconvenience.
And yes, I have two small children. I am teaching them not to play with wild animals but also to acknowledge that they are living animals who need food, water and shelter.
These bears are quite possibly looking out to their families, too.
People need to get a clue.
Posted: 8/30/2012 11:31:35 AM
DUH...Dump closures to blame for bears...and I wonder who's to blame for the dump closures. Everybody knew this would happen. There's more stray cats now and rats too. Government and municipal affairs with their empty head ideas should have left well enough alone.
Posted: 8/30/2012 11:05:27 AM
Problem is the dump was an easy food source and bears. Once they get use to an easy food source they get lazy. These bears for the most part have lost their fear of humans and when this happens its very dangerous. These are predators and they are at the top of the food chain, we must remember that.
Posted: 8/30/2012 10:51:25 AM
To Concerned mother :
Bears are the least of your worries when it comes to your children
Posted: 8/30/2012 10:05:47 AM
Our dump has closed....and now we see less bears......we had lots of bears when the dump WAS open.....
Posted: 8/30/2012 9:36:01 AM
Jocko on the rocko :
The first reaction of many is to shoot it thus killing it. Let the wildlife officers do their job. This is going to be a problem until this group of animals die off or are killed off. They have grown up with human food from the dump. Now the dump is gone they are coming into town on the smell trails of human foods that they used to get at the dump. Once this generation of bears are gone then hopefully the next generation will not rely on human food so much. Other towns in this country deal with bears quite well without shooting them. Churchill, Manitoba deals with an abundant Polar Bear population every year without killing them. Here we assume, shoot first and ask questions later. Ron Pumphrey was right. He's said " if it don't move break it, if it moves kill it. Unfortunately that sentiment is alive and well here for some. Yes protect your family and if you have to shoot a bear than so be it but try to do everything possible to not have to shoot it. We need a better system for tranquilizing bears and moving them away from populated areas. Or are we just going to kill them all and have no wildlife in the future. What kind of world do you want?
Posted: 8/30/2012 9:04:59 AM
Bears were here before us.....The over development in all these areas are the problem....we are gone into their territory
Posted: 8/30/2012 8:58:27 AM
Non-tree hugger :
Anyone who thinks Mr. Oram was wrong in shooting that bear has clearly never been afraid to go out your front door because there's a bear on your lawn that wont leave. Sometimes there is just no alternative, for all we know he could have been expecting his kids to arrive home from school.
If some of you people are in favor of paying the army to patrol the streets with tranquilizer guns then by all means foot the bill yourself. Until then some bears will be shot, simple as that.
Posted: 8/30/2012 8:51:50 AM
Bear shot :
If a bear come on my property and doesn't move for me when I try to scare it off, while I'd dam well shoot it, No questions asked. I have 2 small children who are always outside playing. What would I rather I wonder..... a. a wild animal on my property dead which can not be trusted and could pose serious harm/death to a person b. a fine from forestry officials.
You Idiots, this is a WILD animal....I dont care who's the problem.....my family is more important and I will dam well do what I can to protect.
Take this scenario.....Bears eats child....then do you all critique the Man of the house as to why he didnt protect. ??? Not even an option BANG BANG.....
Posted: 8/30/2012 8:41:31 AM
Wayne P :
I think before answering, people should consider how they'd feel if bears were wandering their property unimpeded while their children are out and about. It's easy to judge when it isn't your backyard.
Posted: 8/30/2012 8:25:01 AM
Jim the hun :
my opinion mr.oram did the right thing; a person has a right to protect his property and his family lifes by any means and its time for the tree huggers out there to realize natures laws apply to us as well as the animals in the forest....first thing should be done is take the incomes of the wifelife officers who took his firearm;might give them a bit of common scene.if an animal can't be trusted it should be put down or relocated and in closing this gentleman wasn't invading the bear's space .....it was the bear that was invading his space.
Posted: 8/30/2012 7:20:20 AM
Territory Of Labrador :
Lots of National Parks these bears can be relocated to. keep killing everything you see soon enough you will have nothing left to kill but each other.
Posted: 8/29/2012 1:08:47 PM
Concerned mother :
There has to be something done. What about the safety of our children? I know you have to be careful no matter where you go but when they are coming closer and closer we have to do something to protect our young too...
Posted: 8/29/2012 10:10:47 AM
Bears taking over? Shouldn't it be humans taking over. I totally agree with Tom's statement.
Posted: 8/29/2012 9:36:36 AM
it not the bears that created this problem,it was/is the Humans,these bears has been "free fooding" forever and now the need still need for so they have to wandering into nearby towns,wouldn us humans go anywhere for food if we were hungry??? yes--- every creature is the same. just have an wildlife offers needle and drug them and helicoptor them further (30-40 miles) in the wilderness amd hope the can become naturally adaptable again...why just kill them?? we created this problem...
Posted: 8/29/2012 9:24:45 AM
Maybe you should leave your town, The bears were there first.
Posted: 8/29/2012 9:14:42 AM
Apparently the only way to solve wildlife related problems in Newfoundland is to kill something. They have black bears walking through towns everyday in northern Ontario and Quebec yet no one there suggests the solution is to kill the bears. Of course if there is a problem bear, a repeat offender or and an aggressive bear they may need to be shot.
Posted: 8/29/2012 8:37:41 AM
Bears bears :
these bears been there for years not just now the dump as been closed, they are protected by the park you are not allowed to hunt them so with no predator they flourish, so please stop blaming it on the dump closing, no doubt the closing as an effect on free food, but they will have to be hunted same as everywhere else on the island
Posted: 8/29/2012 7:26:06 AM
Turry from town :
I guess there will be alot more bear licences requested this year.