please people, have you forgotten completely or are you too young to remember, how can you believe anything Mr. Cashin says, he is the man who was president of a union that oversaw the distruction of our inshore fishery and now he has the best interest of the province at heart,please Mr. Cashin go away before you completely destroy any future we have left!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2012 7:11:02 AM
The world economy is going to go into a deep and long recession anyway within 1 year and the price of ore will collapse. This will cancel the proposed mining projects.
Posted: 10/4/2012 6:27:17 AM
Jocko on the rock, there is nowhere on the east coast of the United States crying for power. They have a massive glut.
Posted: 10/3/2012 9:24:13 PM
If companies in Labrador want power, let them buy it from Quebec. Maybe Quebec will demand the jobs and infrastructure arising from the developments as a price for providing the power. The nay sayers will howl then and criticize government for not protecting Newfoundland jobs!!
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:45:06 PM
WAKE UP :
"GO ON", I don't know where you live but to say that "ordinary people haven't benefited from our oil" is quite a statement. No tax on our auto insurance, no tax on our home insurance, no school fees, no cost for text books, no cost for dental expenses for our children, frozen tuition fees, expanded drug programs for seniors, increased home heating rebates for low income earners, reduced personal income tax rates, 3 MRI machines, dialysis in numerous communities, new schools, more than a billion dollars in roads, all in the last eight years, do you want me to go on? I can write pages. Do your homework before you write such uneducated crap. If Muskrat does not go ahead now maybe a party of your stripe will be glad to give it to daddy Quebec and we can repeat history all over again. Morons with visions like yours are part of our downfalls of the past.
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:42:28 PM
who do you think is behind all this???? how much has been invested already that has not been made public and still you are not been told the cost????
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:33:23 PM
Joe batt :
Seems MR Locke is loosing creditability siding with this joker Government
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:58:03 PM
wade locke is right about future power requirements in labrador. established mine in lab west are up grading or planning upgrades because of demand by larger mining equipment.i heard people(randy simms) say the mine in voisey bay uses diesel generators to operate why not the other mines? well, voisey bay is a relative small mine using small shovels and drills that run on diesel engines, iocc in comparasion operates large electric shovels and drills that operate on 4160 volts and are currently up grading to 7200 volts. get the power from quebec??? don't you think its odd there is surplus power in quebec right at the time we need the federal approval for the loan? quebec will pull the rug out from under us if given the chance, read a history book.another comment by cashin was if the mines take power there won't be enough left to replace holyrod plant, well there are communities in labrador that run diesel generators and will be able to hear the humm of the island transmission line and will never see a bit of power from the lower churchill. my opinion is if it don't benefit labrador directly leave the LABRADOR river alone.
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:16:48 PM
Jocko on the rocko :
I see some of you are suggesting we buy power off Hydro Quebec. Holy cripes I can't stop laughing. If you think Quebec is going to sell us cheap power then you all must be living in lala land. If you think we are ever to develope and provide jobs to increase out population without power to run everything, then you all must be living in lala land on another planet. What is so hard to understand. For us to grow and expand we need power. Wind power? Wind doesn't blow all the time. Solar power? Sun only shine's part of the day. LNG? You are still at the mercy of fluctuating petroleum prices and have to build all the infrastructure. How blind do you have to be to think that we will not need an excess of power in the future? Clean green renewable power such as Muskrat Falls. Having worked in the USA's east coast they are crying for power. They are so envious of us and our hydro and would kill to have such a resource on their doorstep yet we are to backward and scared to develope it. No wonder some of the rest of the world looks down at us. We are defeating ourselves.
Posted: 10/3/2012 5:19:37 PM
Pile it high & stink to the heavens :
All of this nonsense is political garbage on both sides. WE DON"T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS FOR ANYONE TO MAKE A DECISION. Until we do, its all smoke & mirrors.
Posted: 10/3/2012 5:12:43 PM
Jocko on the rocko :
I tend to believe well educated trained economist like Wade Locke rather than the self trained partisan blowhards like Dumaresque and Cabana etc. To many people are assumeing and making up their minds on half truths and lies from the opposing forces. None of which have any experience in Hydro and it's developement.Throw enough bull**** at the wall and some of it will stick to impressionable minds. People are so easily fooled by rumours and conspiracy theories. They would rather believe someone with an agenda rather that someone telling the truth. I suggest all the wanabe politicians and others all have their reasons for opposing this project and not one of them are honerable. We will never develope anything here with this defeatist attitude. Other areas of the world are developing their mega projects and all we can do is argue and listen to assumptions and half truths. Even third world countries are developing their resources while we sit and argue and listen to people who know very little about such processes. What a shame.
Posted: 10/3/2012 5:07:13 PM
Mines need power, yes.
Do mines need MUSKRAT power? Far from proven. Some of them could get power cheaper with standalone diesel.
Posted: 10/3/2012 4:41:31 PM
Newfie Boy :
Muskrat Falls is much bigger issue than a party one. We need to know the facts. I am confused as the information is simply not clear and available to see and more importantly, to understand. Government appear to want to rush this through without much debate giving the aruguement that the debate will be the same template the Liberals used on Voisey Bay. A couple of things wrong here: 1. Voisey Bay was private money for development and not public funds; 2. Voisey Bay has been a success for the province and it was the Liberal government of the day that brokered the deal. Big differenc in who will ultimately pay for Muskrat Falls. As former Premier Brian Peckford stated, "be careful" in a letter to the present Premier. He never said it wasn't a good deal, he stated his concerns and even said it maybe its a great deal for the province. The government response like many who question them was a personal attack stating Peckford was an out of touch former premier who don't understand. Ok, if he doesn't understand, then as a tax payer, I don't understand either. I think the people of the province deserve to be informed as to why the Muskrat Falls is needed and a good deal for the province. Government not only should do this, but, are obligated to do this. This deal could have implications for decades to come and will affect our children and their children. Sorry madam Premier, you are obligated to explain convincingly why Muskrat Falls is needed and not just rely on an economist who has been and continues to be pro-PC!
Posted: 10/3/2012 4:39:43 PM
I really, really have to laugh hard at these liberal and ndp jewels saying that power should be purchased from PQ....>???....what.....???....you have finally stooped to the lowest that your gov't bashing can go......you want NL\Lab companies to buy electricity from the mortal enemy of all NL and Labers......how sick. And one of you said buy from PQ and no more giveaways in the same comment...??....just weird......so let Hydro Quebec get the power from Churchill Falls and sell it back to us.....??..no more giveaways..?....man, you winners have got to get your stories straight.
Posted: 10/3/2012 3:14:48 PM
Muskrat Falls Vote :
Please put this project to a public vote. It's so important and so costly let the people determine it's fate.
Posted: 10/3/2012 1:34:07 PM
This is crazy if anyone of those lawyers worked in a mine they would know that having a source of power closed by is very important for doing maintenance. i wish poeple would do some research before opening their mouths. This province needs Muskrat falls power to expand the mining industry now.
Posted: 10/3/2012 1:20:40 PM
It's time to stop this nonsense and get the Muskrat Falls Project underway. To stall it is to play in the hands of Quebec.
Posted: 10/3/2012 12:53:56 PM
If power is needed to develop the mines,buy it from Hydro Quebec for 5 cents/kwh.In 2041 sell them the Upper Churchill power.The problem is they do not want the optics of dealing with Quebec.The mines will buy the Muskrat power at a heavily discounted price,Emera is buying it at a heavily discounted prce,so the only group who can pay for the project is the consumer at outrageous prices.Muskrat Falls is going to make the Upper Churchill deal look good.
Posted: 10/3/2012 12:34:30 PM
Keno - The reason that mining has been going on in Labrador for decades is that there was power capacity available. If the existing mines are still operating (and using electrity) doesn't it seem reasonable that more electrical capacity would be required to operate more mines!?
Posted: 10/3/2012 12:02:38 PM
Best thing locke can do is keep his daytime job.
Posted: 10/3/2012 12:01:35 PM
WHATTTT!!!!! what does an economist know about power requirements of a mining company and how much we have to offer or where we can get it from, DANCE GOVERNMENT PUPPET BOY... DANCE!!!
Posted: 10/3/2012 11:35:48 AM
Go on!! :
This whole thing is an act, from Danny's exit as premier, to the coolness between he & present premier, all of it, an ACT. Our greatgrandkids will be paying for this money grab. ordinary people haven't benefited from our oil, we won't benefit from this either.Even those making a high wage are struggling with the cost of living. The people of this province are crazy if they support Muskrat Falls. It benefits foreign interests & a few local cronies.
Posted: 10/3/2012 11:16:58 AM
Not PC :
Oh my god. Wow for a highly educated man to make a comment like that blows me away. Dunderdale, please give up and let someone run this province that is here for the people and listen to us. You are unbelievable..The rest of the country must be saying what is wrong with the people in Newfoundland to elect a person like that to lead or should I say mislead the province.
Posted: 10/3/2012 11:08:34 AM
Wasn't Yvonne Jone's big arguement at 1st was that none of the power from Muskrat Falls was staying in Labrador? So now that the mines(which employs 1000's of people)maybe getting some of the power, the same people don't like it. Why don't we just build wind towers all around the province...now that will attract the tourists!
Posted: 10/3/2012 10:43:06 AM
When IOC set up shop in Lab West, they built their OWN power source...they didn't ask the ratepayers of this province to shoulder their electricity costs like this Alderon/Williams crowd are doing. If the mines need the power they can either buy it from Hydro Quebec, or pay their share of the cost to develop Muskrat. NO MORE GIVEAWAYS!!
Posted: 10/3/2012 10:18:34 AM
I see the nay sayers are crapping on Dr Locke. Be interesting to see what they would be saying abt him if he took another approach.
Posted: 10/3/2012 10:14:57 AM
Perhaps the reasoning behind Mr. Lockes assessment is the fact that Newfoundland and Labrador are growing.
More homes, businesses and people. We all take energy.
Maybe the mining in Labrador is expanding as well.
This is a greener solution for our people and a way to develope more power for us.
If it's not done now, it will have to be done later. We all know that the costs of everything is continuing to rise. Do it now while it's at least a little cheaper.
Posted: 10/3/2012 10:13:32 AM
Mr. Locke seems to have all the answers to all the Industries in this Provence, today I heard what he had to say about the fishery...Maybe he should run for Premier.
Posted: 10/3/2012 10:08:34 AM
Bad business :
So now the story has changed again to that the power is needed for industry. If that's the case, and that's a big "if", why not have the mining companies pay to install lines from Quebec and purchase their power from them? No subsidization from the residential ratepayers, no debt to the province, and billions saved. If the province insists that Muskrat Falls must be built, let's see what kind of return on investment they expect to gain from new mines, and how those returns will be used to offset the entire cost of the project.
Posted: 10/3/2012 9:38:52 AM
Mining has been ongoing in Lab for almost 50yrs, no problem. If they need power they can purchase the overflow power from Quebec or we can doe as Locke suggests and spend 8-10 billion and sell to the companies for less than Quebec would.
Posted: 10/3/2012 9:02:41 AM
So Mr Locke has spoken. Now we who know nothing about the project haven't got a clue whether or not it is a good or bad project will tell the experts like Dr Locke they do not know what they are talking about. Looks like the naysayers have done a good job brain washing most of us.
Posted: 10/3/2012 9:01:57 AM
Plenty of cheap power available from Hydro Quebec, sounds like the customer does not want to buy from them, maybe a chip on his shoulder from a couple years ago.
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:48:53 AM
It sounds like Mr. Locke wants to the people of NL to subsidize power costs to the mining companies. If power is needed let the mining companies pay to develop the power.
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:48:14 AM
The power from muskrat was not going to be used in Labrador it was all being transmitted out of labrador with no interconnection with the labrador grid....
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:46:04 AM
Territory Of Labrador :
Labrador would not halt. Danny Williams and Alderon in Quebec might though. Danny has been selling out this province for far too long, and has been pulling the wool over peoples eyes to have this pushed through for his own interests.
Alderon needs the power. The Lab West region has enough.
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:21:58 AM
Sounds like a threat to me!!!
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:21:47 AM
Ed. A :
max seems to be the only person with a clue that is according to him. mr locke everybody on this site is criticized for commenting on muskrat falls without giving the facts of how they came to their conclusion. well right now i would like to see yours or are you just a mouthpiece for the dunderdale regime. besides that why do we need to take every bit of iron ore out of labrador at the same time? especially when the companies are claiming a shortage of workers. could we please leave some for our grandchildren? have a nice day.
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:13:55 AM
Keno: Dr. Locke is a known and respected economist,on what knowledge do you base your opinion?
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:45:15 AM
What a joke this guy is! He has absolutely no credibility in my book and many others in this BigLand. Another puppet of the Dunderale administration. What he says about Muskrat Falls is meaningless to Labrador people. Labrador can get all the power they need from Quebec for .05/kwh. Labrador still has power left over from the 300mw of recallable power that Nfld has been selling 4 years and raking in the profits.
People of Nfld should really ask themselves what is the real reason this guy is speaking up about this project? Is 4 more or continued funding 4 MUN? Who is pulling his strings? Whats in it 4 him? It's a smoke screen folks. Be alert! Be always on your toes, be ready 4 huge increases in your hydro bills. Does this guy care about that? I think not.
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:43:27 AM
My Thoughts :
At least the truth is starting to come out. We need Muskrat to attract business. Just don't give it away and have my light bill go up
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:33:54 AM
I agree Keno Why would the mining stop now? Some of those companies will get the power they need to make the big dollars even if it means developing a falls closer to the mining activity in Lab west.
I wonder who will have land claims then? Anything you develop around Goose will be weighted down with Land Claims.
The mining wont stop becasue of Muskrat Falls. Time for Mr Locke to take up Golf.
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:32:54 AM
I agree 100%, get this project going and stop wasting time and money debating with people that have no clue. We have a renewable gold mine and we are listening to people that want it to fail just to make the newfoundland government look bad. Every move that's made getting this going may not be perfect but Muskrat Falls has to go ahead and fast
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:24:54 AM
We have not gotten full information on this project, and we never will....that is the level of secrecy and arrogance of this government. This may well be the cheapest way to go, but the cost to rate payers ( the voting public) will be unpalatable and hurt a lot of budgets. The least resistance for government is to keep quiet. Nalcor is also very secretive about the prep work already done on an unsanctioned project....who do you think authorized that?
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:13:37 AM
Thank you Mr. Locke for a little reality. We need to get these stories out - without power our economy will stall. Those opposed to Muskrat Falls are truly ignorant to whats going on in NL..
Posted: 10/3/2012 6:49:16 AM
That's a lie, Mr. Wade, and you know it. Mining has been going on in Labrador for decades without muskrat falls. Why would it stop now?